The Passion of the Weiss

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007

The 10 Best White Rappers of All-Time

White Rappers have been in the news a great deal of late, thanks to VH1's White Rapper Show, a program whose main goal seems to be ensuring that melanin-deficient rappers will be laughingstocks for eternity (see Jamie Radford's reviews of the show here). Last week, I tackled the 10 worst of All-Time. Today's list is intended to be a bit more positive, focusing on the 10 Best White boys to ever pick up the mic and help to make people forget the sad sad legacy of Vanilla Ice.

10. Eyedea Anyone who's heard one of Eyedea's freestyles knows that the guy is no joke. Starting from the age of 16, the kid was a prodigy on the Scribble Jam circuit, winning top prizes at Scribble Jam ‘99, the Rock Steady Anniversary 2000, and Blaze Battle Chicago 2000. But unlike most battle MC's good for little more than a hot flow and a few clever punch-lines, Eyedea had depth and true lyrical ability. By the age of 20, he'd already dropped two solid and very promising albums and seemed to be the underground's next best thing. And then...nothing. Sure, there was 2004's E&A which flew under everyone's radar, but other than that Eyedea hasn't been heard from and might never even return to rap. At least, if you believe Wikipedia, which claims Eyedea's abandoned hip-hop to work on a rock project called Carbon Carousel. But his name and profile remain on the Rhymesayers ' website, so I'm willing to bet that he'll return to rap at some point. Just 24 years old, he still has time on his side.

MP3: Eyedea-"Even Shadows Have Shadows"

9. Cage
A lot of underground heads turned on Cage following the release of 2005's critically acclaimed Hell's Winter. To many, it seemed a blatant play for crossover appeal, as Cage joined indie-rock friendly Def Jux and steered clear of the shit-talking, gross-out, punchline rap that had marked his previous decade in the underground. But in my mind, Hell's Winter is his finest work, at once humanizing him without lapsing into self-pitying woe-is-me histrionics. With tracks like "Grand Ol' Party Crash" (with Jello Biafra providing a dead-on Dubya impression), Cage showcased a knack for political attack to nicely complement his increased introspection. With hard-hitting production from El-P, the album had a consistency that his previous efforts had lacked and remains one of my favorite hip-hop albums released in the decade. I'm anxious to hear what's next.

MP3: Cage-"Shoot Frank"

8. 3rd Bass (MC Serch/Pete Nice)
Don't remember MC Serch for the White Rapper Show punch-line he's become, or for his tendency to dance in 3rd Bass videos that got him dissed by the Beasties of all people, and proved that even if white men can rap, most still can't dance. Serch and his partner Pete Nice deserve credit for being white rap pioneers. At a time when the only other white rappers were the novelty-minded rap/rock of the early Beastie Boys, 3rd Bass were the first crackers to be taken seriously as legitimate MC's. Their 1989 debut, the Cactus Album holds up well, especially the Zev Love X assisted "Gas Face." 3rd Bass also gets points for being second to put Nas on wax, from MC Serch's solo album Return of the Product. Plus, even though he wasn't white nor was he a rapper, 3rd Bass gets points for DJ Richie Rich's wicked high-top fade.

MP3: 3rd Bass-"The Gas Face"

7. The Beastie Boys

I'm willing to bet that my inclusion of the Beastie Boys will inspire the most "you're out of your fucking mind" e-mails. But even though the Beasties get annoying the moment you turn 18, any Best White rappers list without the Beasties Boys isn't a good one. Their discography might be overrated, but in terms of Greatest Hits collections, you won't find many groups rap or rock, with as many classic cuts as the Beasties. Play "Girls" at a party and watch it get live. Play "Sabotage" and don't even pretend that you're not amped up. Or if you're in a mellow mood play the jazzy Eugene McDaniel sampling, Q-Tip featuring "Get it Together." While its easy to lampoon the Beasties average mic skills, their continued evolution (with the exception of the unlistenable To the 5 Boroughs) showed a true sense of artistry that many rappers lack.

MP3: The Beastie Boys (ft. Q-Tip)-"Get it Together"

6. Slug (Atmosphere)
Whenever he's asked about being a white rapper, Slug always side-steps the question with a reply about how he's bi-racial so those labels don't really apply to him. But while I don't exactly have Sean Daley's family tree in front of me, I do remember the old cliche, if it walks like a duck...and talks like a duck...Bottom line is, Slug counts as a white rapper. And a very good one at that. Granted, his career has been mostly uneven since 2003's subpar Seven Travels but his first three albums are all outstanding compelling snapshots of a unique personality unafraid to show his personal side. But the work that makes him most worthy of inclusion on this list is his 1997 debut, the masterful Overcast, a straight-up classic packed with witty battle rhymes ("Even if your DJ was Jesus/you could never fuck with these kids"), eloquently worded laments ("Scapegoat") and gritty bare-bones beat-making supplied by Ant.

MP3: Atmosphere-"1597"

5. The Streets
When someone first played me the Streets' debut, I thought they were joking and begged them to take it off. Certainly, Mike Skinner has the worst flow of any white boy on my list. It isn't even close. But The Streets did something Erick Sermon proved a long time ago: you don't need to be a good rapper to make a classic album, as Skinner's first two records are two of the most vivid self-portraits ever put on wax. Each song leaps off the speakers, pregnant with poetic detail. From the way a girl twirled her hair to the satirical depictions of a drunken lout vs. a quiet pothead, The Streets' songs seemed endlessly relateable. His third effort, last years The Hardest Way to Make an Easy Living was a step backwards, with Skinner seemingly bored with the life that fame had ushered in. It remains to be seen whether or not he'll recover, but either way Original Pirate Material and A Grand Don't Come for Free remain two of the most unique hip-hop albums of all-time.

MP3: The Streets-"Dreams"

4. Edan
It might be a little early in his career to place Boston-bred Edan as the fourth best white rapper of all-time, but chalk that up to the promise he's shown, between 2005's instant-classic Beauty and the Beat and his prodigious skills that make him the best live performer in hip-hop today (at least to me). Watching Edan live, you can see exactly how many freestyle ciphers he must've been in to get such a razor-sharp LL Cool J-like flow. How many hours he must've spent behind the turntables learning to scratch as well as almost anyone you've seen. How many times he must've got laughed off the stage for being a white Jewish rapper and how much persistence and dedication to his craft it took to get to the levels he's at. For heads wondering whatever happened to the spirit of 1988 and Golden Age-era MC's like De La Soul, look no further, this is psychedelic rap for the new millennium.

MP3: Edan-"Beauty"

3. Aesop Rock It saddens me how little hip-hop heads have embraced Aesop Rock, as his fan base generally consists of hippies, indie kids and the occasional back-packer that got left behind when Kweli and Mos Def went stale. I'll never understand how they don't love his dense abstract lyrics that bear a heavy creative debt to Ghostface. Or how somehow people consider this "nerd rap." From his collaborations with Camp Lo and Del tha Funkee Homosapien to his odes to NYC graffiti and b-boy culture, Aesop Rock's hip-hop bonafides are legit and his lyricism is rock-solid. Spitting tangled fables and allegories with a raspy too-many blunts and cigs voice, Aesop's skills are unmatched in the underground. Bar none. The tattoo on his arm reads Must Not Sleep, but sadly others have. And its their loss, because the man born Ian Bavitz is not just one of the best white rappers of all-time, he's one of the best rappers. Period.

MP3: Aesop Rock-"The Greatest Pac-Man Victory in History"

2. Eminem
With each passing day, Eminem seems to be pleading for his removal from this list. And truthfully, if I had to listen to that dreadful Re-Up album again, I'd probably grant him that favor. Indeed, the last few years have pretty much seen Eminem do everything in his power to stain his legacy, from aligning with no-talent 50 Cent, to again re-marrying and again divorcing Kim, to his strange decision to talk exclusively about gun play and murdering people. Dude, that's the kind of shit you talk about on your first album. Not your fifth. But for all the badwill Eminem has engendered over the past few years, there is no denying the unmitigated brilliance he displayed in the first few years of his career. From show-stopping verses on Soundbombing, to mix-tape lyrical assaults to his outstanding first two LP's, hip-hop had seen few talents as bright as Eminem. Whereas guys like 3rd Bass had proved that white guys could rap, questions perpetually lingered in the aftermath of Vanilla Ice. Eminem crushed all those doubters, inspiring even Charles Barkley to comment: "You know something strange is going on in the world when the best golfer is black and the best rapper is white."

MP3: Eminem-"Kids"

1. El-PI'd argue that El-P's mic skills are as good as any white rapper ever. But if nothing else he deserves a spot a top this list because he's also one of the most important rappers of all-time, regardless of race. With the success of Company Flow, El-P practically invented underground hip-hop as it exists today. Did you like Rawkus Records from 1997-2002. If you're reading this blog, I'm willing to be you did. But its not unreasonable to suggest that Rawkus would never have taken off, if not for Co Flow's legendary Funcrusher Plus. Setting the template for the future of underground hip-hop with gritty beats and hard-minded but broad lyrics, Company Flow and El-P's solo work has always been progressive futuristic minded-music that sounded great. Whether toppling sacred cows ("Patriotism"), lamenting NYC's dystopian paranoid feel ("Deep Space 9mm") or living with war ("Da Nang, The Front, The Bush and the Shit," El-P is a true original in a rap game filled with copy-cats. The mastermind and owner of Def Jux, El has built up one of the best labels in hip-hop, with a roster full of left-field artists like Cannibal Ox, Mr. Lif, Aesop Rock and Cage. And from what I've heard, I'll Sleep When You're Dead, is supposedly some of his finest work yet, further solidifying his place as one of the most innovative and important figures in hip-hop history.



At 8:40 AM, Anonymous floodwatch said...

Other than your inclusion of the Beasties, I couldn't agree more with this list. Nice work!

At 8:42 AM, Anonymous b chapman said...

i always felt funcrusher plus was an unmitigated classic, even though el-p looks like that pilot dude from firefly.

At 9:29 AM, Anonymous Rap Jack Bauer said...


I agree totally with you, except for placing The Streets above Slug. Yes, Skinner's first 2 albums are amazing. But he has zero live skills, a horrible penchant for singing hooks (think "Nastradamus"-era Nas) and has only been out for 5-6 years.

I'm not a Atmosphere stan by any means, but Slug is just as important to the underground scene and the evolution of the white rapper with skills as El-P. He was one of the first cats to build a name on the internet (for better or worse). He single-handedly put Minnesota on the hip hop map. He's been touring and getting bigger for the last 10 years. And his roster at Rhymesayers includes Eyedea, Brother Ali and MF Doom.

By the way, no Sage Francis, Louis Logic or Apathy? And no John Brown? It's a ghetto revival, motherf*ckers!

At 10:30 AM, Anonymous Sach said...

I'd still rather listen to the Beastie Boys' first 3 records than the best release from anyone else on this list excluding Edan.

Victims of the 90's backlash I says.

At 11:18 AM, Blogger skinny said...

slug is still the best live rapper i've ever seen.

i still like movies for the blind better than hell's winter because i like nihilism better than confessions.

eyedea probably got sick of rapping when he realized who his fans would be.

At 12:16 PM, Anonymous jamie said...

I agree with Sach. The Beasties def. deserve to be on any list like this, and probably higher up. I always rocked the Beastie Boys when I was younger, and kind of got out of them as of late, but I saw this hip-hop tribute show on VH1 the other night, where they performed intense, energetic versions of some of their classics, and it made me remember how solid they were as an act.

Sure, they're not rocking the sort of complex lyrics that typify the best modern rap music, but they wrote great songs, and they worked great together as a live act, something many many rappers and rap groups are unable to do nowadays.

The Beasties deserve a top spot on any list of most important/best rap groups of all time, both for creating solid, consistent music, and for vastly expanding the market for hip-hop. To all the haters: respect your elders! Go write an article about how Young Jeezy's a genius.

At 2:28 PM, Blogger Passion of the Weiss said...

Zilla: I feel you on Slug. The Rhymesayers things does make him an arguably higher figure, but if you include Skinner basically inventing British rap and paving the way for dudes like Dizzee Rascal and Lady Sovereign, he's arguably as important to hip-hop, just not the American version of it. It's really a toss up, but either way his career is probably underrated by critics. I still love those first three records. And the last one wasn't too shabby either.

Sage and Apathy were the last two to get cut. I like Personal Journals and the Non-Prophets work but Sage gets too preachy for me and I just haven't heard enough Apathy that impressed me to bump off Eyedea who certainly has.

As for the Beasties. I agree with you guys personally. They probably should be higher up, but I'm still smarting from that awful last album they did. Plus, as much as I love some of their stuff, it remains overrated by music critics who don't know hip hop. Paul's Boutique is a fucking great record and all but it didn't exactly save the world or anything like some make it out. Still, they deserve a better rep than they've gotten of late.

At 3:15 PM, Blogger Commish CH said...

I've been waiting for this list and I agree with most of it. You know my steez and any white rapper list for me must include RA The Rugged Man. I'd also give some shine to Vinnie Paz from Jedi Mind Tricks and Ill Bill from Non Phixion.

Two older groups that could find a way onto the list are Blood of Abraham, and way back with Young Black Teenagers. I thought Kamron from YBT could bring some heat. I actually met him once outside a record shop and he was cool.

Another interesting discussion is which Beasties member is the best MC? And who was better, Serch or Pete Nice? Tough calls there.

At 3:23 PM, Blogger Passion of the Weiss said...

They're definitely all solid rappers. Truth be told, I just haven't heard enough of them to put them on the list, but no doubt, they can spit. That Remedy song "Never Again" didn't leave my car stereo for a few weeks at one point in high school.

Re: the Beasties boys tough call? They always blurred together for me, none really ever stood out as being better than the other. Your thoughts?

As for 3rd bass, I was always partial to Pete Nice's flow.

At 4:56 PM, Anonymous jamie said...

Mike D -- most compelling, exciting delivery, I would say. His are the verses that really get my your moving, innit?

I think the Beasties are more about style/form and less about content, and his voice has the most compelling form.

At 7:26 PM, Anonymous CONOR said...

I absolutely love your site. Awesome coverage on white rappas. I never heard of Edan and El-P, but I've been checkin em out thanks to you. Nice work all around. I love it.

At 8:00 PM, Blogger Kevin said...

Sweet list. Beasties deserve to be up there, if only in terms of bringing recognition to white rappers. But if you're talking technical skills and word flow, I'd leave them off. They're pranksters more than anything. Influential, no doubt, but nowhere near as talented delivery-wise as most of those guys on that list.

At 8:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good list - but where is Eligh? Maybe im bias being a West Coaster.

At 9:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Louis Logic is black.

The Streets is/are garbage.

That is all.

At 3:09 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

Great list as usual. I would've put on Sage Francis, if only for his freestyle abilities, "Makeshift Patriot," and "Escape Artist." But yeah, when he misses, he really misses.

Don't listen to anyone re: Beastie Boys and the Streets. They both expanded the possibilities of the genre in huge, still-reverberating ways.

Finally, can we just take Eminem off the list and make El-P #1 and #2? And maybe #3 also if Aesop Rock doesn't drop another album soon?

At 4:12 AM, Blogger The Human Resource said...

Important rappers or best rappers?

Big distinction.

Sage and Em are better than El-P, who is OK but very important.

Good list, just bizarrely out of order.

At 6:54 AM, Anonymous kq said...

i agree RA the rugged man should be on the list. the streets shouldnt, the guy is a joke. beasties should be #10 at best. 3rd bass should be higher up the list. also,paul barman should be on this list, not the worst list!

At 9:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cunninlynguists are left off everyone's list. Don't laugh, but Bubba Sparxxx 2nd CD was pretty tight.

Where do any of these MCs fit in the top ten rappers of all-time, regardless of skin color?

At 2:26 PM, Anonymous eauhellzgnaw said...


Answer: nowhere.

I hate to be the downer here, but there haven't even been 10 quality white rappers in the history of rap.

Most of the rappers on this list are not good.

At 4:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

one glaring ommission...esoteric. even though he has become somewhat wack in later years "protocol" alone is enough to put him above a lot of people, most notably mike skinner, who has probablly put out one good song in his entire career. and sage francis is terrible, and if you like him it's because he raps like your nerd ass would. cunninlinguists are ok...don't deserve to be in anyone's top 10 list unless it's top 10 acts whose names are derived from latin.

At 7:11 PM, Blogger bizkid said...

Nice blog.

Good list with real good explanations. I would of moved Slug up the list more based solely on Overcast (or million headshots tape gems). I feel your argument for the streets, but Skinner goes the way of Sage--good poets should be recognized as good poets, not lumped in with rappers. I think Aesop goes first, based on "rapper". El-P goes first based on "visionary" or "producer/rapper" or something. No west coast representation? I know in hip hop and ncaa basketball the west goes wayside, but I think that early Grouch or Eligh stuff is hard to beat. Check out F*** the Dumb and tell me its not dope.

I'd have to throw esoteric in with boac and ill bill--good rappers, but show me more. RA gets a head nod, though, for sure.

At 8:30 AM, Blogger Jon Black and Britt Bergman said...

i feel vanilla ice was shafted, as always, on this list.
he was ahead of his time and a victim of his label.

At 5:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Beastie Boys only decent album was Paul's Boutique. And I would bet that the PB album would be in the top 10 RAP albums of all times. (maybe the Dust Brothers had more to do with that)

At 6:02 AM, Anonymous Not a Fan said...

Besides Eminem,3rd base,(by you including them on the best white rapper list destroys your credibility) and The Beastie Boys.

I have never and (and hope I never) heard of these clowns. What did you buy these recordsat some Jewish Yard Salein Midwood, Brooklyn?

You wanna know a good underground rapper so you can be "hip"

Ill Bill hell even try out his little brother Necro.

At 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

without having RA The Ruggedman on the lose all credibility

At 3:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Without Non-Phixion you lose all credibility. Hell, Everlast deserves more of a place on this list than the Streets, dude was down with Ice T when he was scary. Your list looks like some clueless hipster ipod geek shit.

At 5:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry. but unfortunately, el-p is not the best. definitely a strong 4th. Eminem, that piece of shit, is the best yet. sorry, and trust me it hurts to say. Aesop is the best, but ranks 2nd for now. followed by the Beastie Boys, if not for longevity and accomplishment alone. Ill Bill, when he actually gives a shit. then either El or Cage. Probably Cage because he doesnt suck live. I would have to put slug right there at 5th and take 3rd Bass completely off the top ten list, but put em down for honorable mention. eyedea, your outta here too, you faker. Then Im puttin in Celph Titled and Yak Ballz tied-mainly because i dont think either of em r full whitey. Next are the 2 white kids from Slow Suicide Stimulus (Gavone & C-CHAN) and, with kicking EDAN OUTTA ALL LISTS, I punctuate the most honest list with Copywrite, even though this year has been more than rough on his rep.
what about eligh or b.o.a.?

At 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ill Bill is fuckin nasty and isn't a little bitch like most white rappers..and the streets really isn't rap, more like spoken word.

At 7:47 AM, Blogger Jaz said...

Sage Francis pisses all over that whiny Hollywood fake wannabe hardcore idiot Eminem...why is he even on this list?...

At 2:07 PM, Anonymous The Man in the Know said...

I Hate posts like this it derives what makes hip-hop to what breaks it, Colour means Sweet FA. Posts like this achieve nothing And you've left out about a million MC's Ill Bill, Necro, The Young Black Teenagers (who were FUCKING AMAZING), how is the Streets above Slug, Sage Francis, Scram Jones jus to name a few....stop psotin about rappers you know nothin....M-in-M You damn joka. Wheres Termanology & the legendary A.D.O.R. Jehst, Scor-Say-Zee....U KNOW NOTHIN

At 6:20 PM, Blogger tc said...

R.A. the Rugged Man should definitely be on this list.

At 1:22 PM, Anonymous alley al said...

from your list, i'm sure i've seen cage, aesop, eminem, bb, 3rd bass, slug, el-p, and maybe edan live. i've seen the eyedea battle videos- he's nice.

but ra the rugged man should be on this list.
the mc from quannum's apsci is dope, too.
i'd rather see necro than streets/ skinner on this list.
shit, i'd rather see evidence than skinner on this list. or everlast.

is this list about skills or their place in history?

isn't benzino bi-racial? so is he applicable for this list? or he doesn't walk like your stereotypical duck?
is mr. eon dope? lol
what about that brother ali guy?
and that guy from swollen members & moka only? terrible, i think.

oh, i know, the dude from 7l & esoteric. that new dope album is dope. i didn't like their earlier work, but i didn't like rugged man's crustified dibbs, or necro's old old stuff, either.

there's less famous dudes in ill bill's camp that more skilled than many of these rappers out there, black or white.

fuck, kid rock is a white rapper!! he has place in history. why not him?

alley 81 al at g mail dot com

At 11:00 PM, Anonymous voice of reason said...

you are entitled to your own opinions but I hope no one out there takes them seriously.

The Beastie Boys are important to the (white) history of hip hop, but they could never rap for shit... by ANY time's standards. I never liked 3rd Bass, so I'll just leave it at that, their level of skill is debatable. they are probably more in the "important" category...which is something you seem to be confused about, as seen in your placing of El-P at #1 with wacky assumptions based on the strength of Rawkus releases. El-P does deserve to be on the list, but you overestimate his MC'ing. He is both more important and more skilled as a producer rather than a rapper.

the only mc's who have any business on this list are Eminem, El-P, Cage, and MAYBE Slug.

then try adding names like Vinnie Paz, Buck 65, Esoteric, Ill Bill, Sage Francis, Necro, Goretex, or Mr. Eon.

oh, and you're giving props to someone for paving the way for Lady Sovereign?! haha. you're a funny dude.

At 11:07 PM, Anonymous voice of reason said...

or even Evidence, or Virtuoso.

i like the guy who said "clueless, hipster, i-pod geek". hahah. sounds about right.

At 5:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all forgot about Snow, that man had flow...

At 12:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ur a bitch ass trick deres only 1 good rapper on this list eminem hes first hands down he on of the best of all time i havnt hurd of nyof these fakee ass usters

At 7:48 PM, Blogger Wasteland Drifter said...

"if you include Skinner basically inventing British rap"

What a ludicrous statement to make and which should no doubt have been better worded as something along the lines of "the first British person I heard rap".

But hey you're trying to justify his place in your list - there can't be many valid reasons, so you may as well make a few up... He is a twat though.

3rd Bass also put MF Doom/Zev Love X on wax first (and Cage was on Pete Nice & Daddy Rich's album), there's no contest who was better out of the two Pete Nice, hands down - Serch was pretty corny and caught up on his skin colour.

At 10:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice list, tho i gotta say beasties should be at 2. music to me is about ideas and innovation which is why i totally agree with el-p being no 1. eminem, regardless of how technically good he is (or isn't) is a sell-out, give-me-the-money pop dick. granted, alot of people say his earlier work is good (not me) but he is about as original as take that. the beasties discography is littered with originality and invention - covering a whole range of styles, which is why i think they should be no 2.

At 7:26 PM, Blogger Landon said...

Gotta agree with Man In The Know, really - snot really a debate worth having. Skills is skills. That said, I'm now gonna be a hypocrite punk and get up on this hype wagon...

All in a nicely rounded list - Humble Magnificent in full effect, yes yes. But where's RA The Rugged Man @? Has to be the most slept on emcee of talent EVER (see "Lessons"), well often witty ("A Star Is Born") & especially relevant ("Black & White")...

As for the UK representation, cheers, but all respect due to Mike Skinner for his penmanship, the UK scene has MANY better mic burners that compare much better head to head with American flows. Blade, Braintax, Jehst, Taskforce (Chester P & Farma G), Skinnyman, Cappo, Jack Flash and on and on and on...if you dun know then you have treats to look forward to.

At 4:20 PM, Blogger Mr said...

Here is my own top 15 list, taking into account that selling records, longevity and notoriety in addition to skills and credibility does have at least something to do with who should be on the list. Any feedback is welcome.
1. Eminem
2. Beastie Boys
3. 3rd Bass
4. House of Pain
5. Kid Rock
6. Bubba Sparxx
7. El-P
8. Vanilla Ice
9. RA the Rugged Man
10. Non Phixion
11. Cage
12. Remedy
13. High and Mighty
14. Insane Clown Posse
15. Eyedea

At 1:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Non-Phixion? (Sabac Red, Goretex, Necro and Ill Bill). granted I think Sabac is Puerto Rican, but other those three will rip anyone to shreds

Vinnie Paz of JMT

Unkn?wn from Wyze Mindz

Apathy, Esoteric.....

At 1:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DUSTED DONS!!! how can u forget the dons?

At 4:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

whut about Ill Bill, what you got to be white and emo or nerdy to get a spot on this list. in a rap contest bill would out shine most of these cats. and i'm pretty sure the cats on this list would agree with you.

At 10:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

em is the best RAPPER ever
how u can u not even make him the best white rapper? u a hata

At 12:35 AM, Anonymous DannoMack said...

In trying to appear different and above the mainstream you undercut the Beasties and Eminem.

Putting the Beasties 7th on that list is probably worse than not including them at all, because it shows that you're famillier with them, famillier with their impact on rap, and yet you still decided to place them so low on the list.

As for Eminem... I don't really see how he can't be placed #1 on the list of best white rappers ever when he's routinely brought up as a candidate as one of the best rappers ever period.

Sometimes the people who attain commercial success DESERVE it bro, it doesn't make you edgy or hip to shortchange them.

At 10:35 AM, Anonymous AK47 said...

what about Mad Child of Canadian rap group, Swollen Members
one of the illest lyricists in the underground today
can't believe he's not on this list
a member of the legendary Rock Steady Crew
has more talent than 70% of this list

maybe your rap knowledge hasn't gone past the border yet...

but soon enough you'll know

[[Swollen Army]]

At 10:43 AM, Anonymous AK47 said...

make that 80% i love aesop rock but the only people better than Mad Child are em and el-p, but i believe eminem is better than el-p

At 5:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't exactly agree with the list but most on it should be rated as highly as they are, except The Streets, expecially when it is even pointed out in the reasoning for putting him on the list "u don't need to be a good rapper to make a classic album", and I thought that the list was a list of GOOD rappers. So that statement kinda negates the reason why the streets is on the list.
To me it doesnt matter how good you are at writing if you cant perform it, being a rapper isnt the same as being a lyricist, and as a rapper The Streets is completely trash, he shouldnt even be on a top 50 of white rappers in my opinion.

At 12:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Necro is probably the illest white rapper as far as word play. Cat has been spiitn fire for a long time. Also, Ra should be on this list in place of The Streets. And shout to my boys C Chan and Govone from Dusted Dons. Cats can spit. Also, check this cat ELSEONE aka Mister E. Dude is NICE. Oh, and where's Remedy, Gore Tex, Brother Ali, YBT, Milkbone (cmon, his first single was hot.), etc?

At 12:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

where the funk is Benefit? hes not even mentioned!! u guys listen to 'my story' by benefit he to me is my fave white rapper

At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fred Durst is less lame than half of the rappers on your list and he is one of the lamest humans ever to be lame. Halleujah Hollaback little homey!

At 9:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. slug
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At 3:21 PM, Anonymous Rah-Love said...

"3rd Bass also put MF Doom/Zev Love X on wax first (and Cage was on Pete Nice & Daddy Rich's album), there's no contest who was better out of the two Pete Nice, hands down - Serch was pretty corny and caught up on his skin colour."

Pete fell the fuck off on the second album though. His delivery was the same on almost every track, and some of his rhymes didn't make any sense.

"I say it while I'm drinkin' 40 swigs/a Chinaman eats with two twigs"

WTF? That's some Greg Nice type stuff right there.

At 3:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what about vinnie paz
ill bill
sabac red

At 10:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you've missed a few

Slaine from boston

Haystak, I don't care what you think of him, listen to the songs

A the red light
Firtst white boy
Still you doubted me

and they tell me he don't belong on here

MadChild from Swollen Members

Ill Bill
Non Phixion
La Coka Nostra

At 1:56 PM, Blogger droque32 said...

First off this list is o.k. I guess but not agreeable to all, nor should any list be. I can't believe you left off some people though especially the one I think should be #1. Here is a quick list of people who didn't make the list:

1.Brother Ali (the best and yes he is white)
2.Thirtyseven (an unkown M.C. from Vermont of all places)(Groups:Wombaticus Rex, Algorhythms, and Humpasaurus Jones)
3.Bubba Sparxxx
4.Geologic (of Blue Scholars)
5.Ayentee (Secluded Journalists)

The last 3 may be a stretch for Top 10 all-time but they are worthy to recognize, and most are better than a few on the list. Even some of the old school Grouch is better than this stuff. Just my opinion like yours. This is a great topic though, how bout best M.C. no one knows about a.k.a. Thirtyseven!!!

At 2:02 PM, Blogger droque32 said...

First I would like to say that this list is an opinion. Opinions are just ideas waiting to be disagreed with, as I disagree with this one. Here is a list of M.C.'s who didn't make the list:

1.Brother Ali (THE BEST)
2.Thirtyseven (unknown M.C. out of Vermont) (Groups include: Wombaticus Rex, Algorhythms, and Humpasaurus Jones)
3.Bubba Sparxxx
4.Geologic (Blue Scholars)
5.Ayentee (Secluded Journalists)
6.Intuition (an unknown from Southern California)

The last 3 are a stretch for TOP 10 all-time but they are better than some of the people on the list. I just am in amazement that BROTHER ALI didn't make the list, maybe like most people you didn't realize that he was white? In any case he would be my number one on most M.C. lists.

At 11:02 AM, Blogger moorser1234 said...

urban intelligence from ireland check them out ! wers paul wall ?

At 8:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where the hell is Sage Francis, some of these cats wouldn't be rapping if it wasn't for him.

At 9:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

eminem is the best by far!!

At 9:35 AM, Anonymous Spinx said...

Mad skills wise, there's no-one to touch R.A. the Rugged Man (listen to Renaissance off Hell Razah's new album Renaissance Child - no other white rapper can spit like that). Definately need to add Ill Bill. Goretex and Vinnie Paz aren't strictly speaking white, otherwise I would include them too.

Fuck Mike Skinner from the Streets. I respect him and all, but he's no rapper and definately doesn't deserve to make this list.

UK wise I'd have Chester P on there. Just ask Common about Chester, he gave him a kicking in a battle.

Dunno about Beasties, collectively they're great, but they don't really stand up as great rappers on their own.

At 10:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this discussion shouldnt even come up....Not to sound cliche cuz hes so popular but Eminem is the best period. If he wasnt he wouldnt have the popularity and success hes had. And dont say he went commercial cuz hell still eat any other emcee living white or black....Listen to Dead Wrong, Renegade or the whole Marshall Mathers Lp

At 7:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


First off, I'd like to comment on how well written your top ten list is. Great job! I enjoyed reading it.

On another note, I was shocked to not see House of Pain or Kid Rock on there. Sure these guys were more commercialized, but that in itself, I believe is a positive influence for would-be white rappers. Anyway, thanks again for the great writing!

At 1:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well im not sure i can understand eminem not being number 1. I mean no one else on this list has hardly any recognition, if they have they've out lived there glory days. I mean, seriously? Em is one of the greatest rappers of all time, lyricaly, performing wise, and he is an exeptional producer. none of the other "underground" rappers have acomplished anything in the rap game yet. they might never, so how can they be on a top list. I just cant see em not being num 1. he is the only one on this list that most people in the world would know.

At 2:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Edan is the shit!! Edan is number!!!!! NOBODY CAN rhythm LIKE HIM!

At 6:43 AM, Blogger Ignacio said...

how is eminem not number 1, i mean seriously who ever wrote this page is retarded, all these other rappers arent even good, beastie boys are ok i guess but thats it, i could make that top ten list if i made a cd, this is ridiculous

At 10:27 AM, Anonymous chris said...

'aesop rock' for sure. also 'chester p' 'buck65' 'sage francis' 'sixtoo' 'noah23' 'dose one' 'alias' 'sole' and 'qwel'. maybe 'josh martinez' too.

At 2:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rugged Intellect and Classified (both from Canada) are pretty wicked as well. If you haven't heard of them, check em both out. Definitely worth it.

At 7:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its crazy how little respect icp gets they should definately be on the list and high for that matter. also where the hell is vinnie paz the person who made this list is the biggest idiot ever

At 4:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

where the hell is classified!!!
serious, best white apper on that list would be him, seen him live many times, and WOW

At 7:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow what a wack list


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